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Put Christ back into Christmas

Posted by Shaun Gouws on Saturday 13th November 1999 at 11:07:11
3 comments on this post - most recent Thursday 21st March 2013 at 03:33:00
The festive season is almost upon us. Let us as the Christians of Port Elizabeth "put Christ back into Christmas" and remember "Jesus is the reason for the season." These two slogans have been bandied about for some time, but contain deep spiritual truth. Let us have YOUR ideas on the meaning of this time of the year, and what we can do to bring glory back to our Lord during this season.
Comment submitted by Shaun on Thursday 21st March 2013 at 03:33:00


Comment submitted by Tony Olsen on Thursday 11th December 2003 at 10:11:39

Subject: "Man shall live forevermore because of..." 

I agree with your posting on "Put Christ Back Into Christmas". I share most of your views on the subject and find it nice that others are also trying to put Christ back into Christmas.

Regarding "Man shall live forevermore because of Christmas day": While it is true that Christ's birth itself didn't provide us salvation, it marked the beginning of something that would bring salvation. There were 2 obstacles for man: Sin and Death. Christ provided a way for us to repent and be forgiven of our sins through his suffering for our sins. Christ also provided for the resurrection. Christ was the first person to rise, and now we too shall live again as well. One gift is free to all (resurrection) and one requires repentance (forgiveness). All will be resurrected, but only the righteous will live with God. Hence, Christ provided for man living forever... or in other words: "Man shall live for evermore because of [what Christ did]".

Not to be confused with "eternal life", which is something different. God is often referred to as "eternal". life" means "Life with God"... and that is only available to those who repent.

Thanks, =)

By the way, another interesting note: December 25th wasn't even Christ's birthday... it was simply a day chosen by the mid-evil-period Catholic church to celebrate His birthday. The shepherds were watching their flocks by night... that only happens when the sheep are giving birth, which happens in the spring.

Also, the wisemen we never numbered in the bible. It never says "3"... and they came long long after the birth of Christ, so they shouldn't even be in the manger scene.

The Christmas tree is a pagan tradition the mid-evil-Catholic church adopted to appease the pagans. In fact, there's a scripture in the bible where it talks about evil people dancing around a decorated tree.

Yes... there's lots of fun falsehoods in today's Christmas traditions. =)

As for me and my family, even though this wasn't His brithday, we try to remember the wonderful things he has done for us and commit ourselves to try a little harder to be worthy of them.

Merry Christmas! =)

Tony Olsen =)

Comment submitted by Werner Greeff on Thursday 18th November 1999 at 21:54:07

Personally I have been pondering about the whole idea of Christmas. I don't see any significance in Christmas at all. Christmas is just another commercial god. I have various problems with Christmas. From it's very start it has NEVER been about Jesus Christ but the 25th of December was a date on which the Sun-worshippers observed the birthday of some sun-god. My second objection to Christmas is the fact that somehow the birthday of Jesus is exalted to a place which is dangerous and foreign to Scripture. The incarnation of Jesus did nothing for the world. I remember as child how we sang all these Christmas songs and that it was suppose to give us some sort of assurance of faith. Boney M's famous Christmas album will soon be heard in every shopping centre. Remember the one song, the words go like this: "And man will live forever more, because of Christmas day." Absolute nonsense. The world is not saved by Christmas neither any individual. No one ever disputed the birth of Jesus Christ of Nazareth in Bethlehem "away in a manger" some 2000 years ago. The question is this: Is he born in your life? Scripture says that "For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord." (Luke 2:11. However, the birth was only a means to an end. He had to come as a human in order to become the "Lamb slain from the foundations of the world", the "Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world". I have yet to read of an account in scripture where Christians celebrated the Birth of Jesus. The birth of Jesus has already been celebrated 2000 years ago, we celebrate his death and resurrection and Him our advocate in heaven, our great High Priest seated at the right hand of God the Father. Not much time and effort is spent celebrating his death and resurrection and even then it is turned into another commercial weekend. Instead of teaching kids the FULL TRUTH we teach stuff like Santa Claus and Easter Rabbits! We then say that we give gifts on Christmas because we celebrate God giving us his son. Wonderful, just a pity that the children do not know that. They are under the impression that Santa Claus brought the presents. I don't think it is a matter of having move away from what Christmas was intended to be, no. It is a fact that Christmas was pagan from the start and unfortunately we have embraced it too easily. Am I going to give and receive presents? As a matter of fact I will and I will never condemn people who practice it. Paul says in Romans 14:5 "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord, and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it...." If you celebrate Christmas for the right reasons and feel not condemned...God bless you! However, I don't think we must make Christmas a general Christian celebration. What about those who don't esteem Christmas as you do?

God bless

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