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Church healing

Posted by Eddie Miller on Wednesday 14th February 2001 at 11:09:05
2 comments on this post - most recent Thursday 18th October 2001 at 15:45:05

Dear Discussion, 

When attending services at 'charismatic' churches one notes the amount of driving out of demons that accompany healing. 

Whilst I do not deny the existence of demons it was interesting to read the following in 'A BASIC INTRODUCTION TO THE NEW TESTAMENT' edited by Robert C Walton:

'The idea that many illnesses were caused by demons was very common. The diseases themselves were spoken of as a 'spirit of leprosy', an 'asthma spirit', a 'spirit of heart disease', and the like.

Some healed by Jesus showed symptoms of madness (eg Mark 5:5) and here it might be good for us to treat the disturbed person in the gentle way suggested by James 5:13 to 15.

 One may wonder if Ecclesiastes 10:20 does not suggest a belief in 'psychic phenomena' as it says, "Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter."

Listening to church members I was struck by how freely they talked of spiritual phenomena, 'hearing things', etc., and I thought of how differently psychiatry would often view this (perhaps classify them as mad).

For this and other reasons various churches are participating in a petition aimed at giving a priest more say in the diagnosis of psychiatric patients.

Churches can e-mail me at edmiller@isat.co.za for the petition.

Thanks
Eddie Miller

Comment submitted by Eddie Miller on Thursday 18th October 2001 at 15:45:05

Psychiatry and church healing

Dear Discussion,

I do tend to agree with the sentiments expressed by Werner (response to healing in churches) and that priests should not be allowed to override a psychiatrists opinion in various cases, BUT if the psychiatric profession is allowed too much power is there not potential for enormous problems?

To illustrate, may I give information from an article in the DAILY NEWS of 7 Feb 1991 ( this is a Durban Newspaper )?

An experiment was conducted in the 1970s in which eight pseudo-patients were submitted to a mental institution. They gained admittance to 12 different hospitals. Except in one case the diagnosis was schizophrenia and each was discharged with a diagnosis of schizophrenia "in remission". An institution which doubted this research was then informed that one or more pseudo patients would attempt to be admitted into the psychiatric institution. Forty-one out of 193 patients were alleged "with high confidence" to be pseudo patients - in fact no pseudo patient had presented himself.

The Reader's Digest of April 1993 (A Habit That's Hard to Kick) points out how much overprescribing of tranquillizers there is and says that these pills have been associated with violence, child abuse and petty crime (do they dampen the conscience along with anxiety?). In this regard, from what I have heard, tranquillizers can remove inhibitions concerning sexual morality and I would be interested to know if others have heard about or observed this.

Comment submitted by Werner van on Friday 24th August 2001 at 14:19:00

I must disagree with the notion of giving priests a say in diagnosis of psychiatric disorders. Considerable medical and psychotherapeutic training is required to make a diagnosis. Istead, why don't priests and psychiatrists work together as a team in case where this may be appropriate, each being competent in his own field of practice? All people who are troubled in some way require a holistic approach to healing, this includes spiritual as well as psychological intervention. If psychiatrists were to allow priests to intrude on their field of practice, would priests allow psychiatrists and psychologists to intrude on their field of expertise so easily?

Werner

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