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  • Prophecy in the Church
    Posted by Ron Johnson on Sunday 7th April 2002 at 13:08:32
      - 5 comments on this post - most recent Friday 14th September 2007 at 18:06:36
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Prophecy in the Church

Posted by Ron Johnson on Sunday 7th April 2002 at 13:08:32
5 comments on this post - most recent Friday 14th September 2007 at 18:06:36
Dear brother or sister in Christ

I have noticed in concurrence with some of your correspondents to your website, a very great concern about the errors currently sweeping the Charismatic/Pentecostal churches. This concern obviously, is very noticable especially in the area of what passes for "Prophecy" in the vast majority of Charismatic churches these days.

The word of the Lord is especially rigorous in this area of the testing of prophecy always, and for us to take the necessary action to prevent the dissemination of that which is false.

Deuteronomy 18:21-22, "And you may say in your heart,"How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?"

"When the prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously."

1 John 4:1, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

1 Thess.5:20-21, "Do not despise prophetic utterances, but examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good."

Having read last year a prophecy from your website, which disturbed my spirit somewhat-- Graham Cook's prophecy concerning "Unparalleled Favour" and invoking "vengeance"-- he himself placed a time prediction of 1 year on the authenticity and assessment on its efficacy. I would therefore like to ask, nearly 2 years after :-

a) Was there "Unparalleled Favour" in the city and churches of Port Elizabeth? 

b) What was the nature of this "Unparalleled Favour"?

c) Did it result in an "unparalleled" increase in the number of people entering the Kingdom of God in that area?

d) What form did the "vengeance" take in the churches there?

Another apposite reflection on this gifting was recently made by Tony Pearse, Director of Messianic Testimony here in the UK, I quote directly from his article on False Prophets :-

"As we have already noted in the political sphere, false prophecies lead to a division between those who accept them, who are eventually disillusioned, and those who reject them who are condemned by the false prophet and blamed for what is going wrong.

That appears to be what is happening in the contemporary charismatic movement. Where the spirit of false prophecy dominates, the true prophet will be ostracised and there will be an attempt to intimidate him into silence. Many of us who have sounded warnings about the current movement in the church have found ourselves on the receiving end of threats that our criticisms will result in judgment and disaster coming upon us."

I have heard and read many "prophecies" of the "unparalleled revivals" taking place here in the UK from South African sources! The truth of the matter is, however, that there are more mosques being built in the UK than there are churches being opened. In fact there is a current move afoot of many born- again believers moving out of the Charismatic/Pentecostal churches because of the heresy endemic in many of these churches!!

I look forward to a reply from those brothers and sisters in Christ who have been spiritually observant in the Port Elizabeth area during July 2000 to July 2001.

Yours in Christ Jesus
Ron Johnson (Rev.) Oxford, UK

Comment submitted by Spencer Courtis on Friday 14th September 2007 at 18:06:36

Response to posting by Ron Johnson on 7 April 2002 concerning Graham Cooke's word on the Year of the Lord's Favour:

Ron, LINUXDUDE, Charmaine ...

(An old item on the Discussion forum of Port Elizabeth Church Net – PROPHECY IN THE CHURCH)

Have you FOLK spoken to Graham Cook on the matter?
“Graham Cook's prophecy concerning "Unparalleled Favour"”
I find that too often, in fact oh so often, we neglect:

Mat 18:15
(AMP) If your brother wrongs you, go and show him his fault, between you and him privately. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother.

(BBE) And if your brother does wrong to you, go, make clear to him his error between you and him in private: if he gives ear to you, you have got your brother back again.

(CEV) If one of my followers sins against you, go and point out what was wrong. But do it in private, just between the two of you. If that person listens, you have won back a follower.

Please let me know what he had to say in “defence” of himself.
Charmaine – if you can perhaps help in contacting Graham?

Kindest Blessings
From : Spencer Courtis
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Comment submitted by Craig Withers on Saturday 5th November 2005 at 18:02:06

Response to posting by Ron Johnson on 7 April 2002 concerning Graham Cooke's word on the Year of the Lord's Favour:

Having listened to much of Graham's teaching over the last few years, and having recently come across the word concerning the Favour of the Lord, I'd like to share with you some feedback and food for thought to what you have posted.

You asked whether it was true that the churches of Port Elizabeth had experienced unparalleled favour. It would seem that your implied answer is that they did not.

What is very clear to me from listening to this prophecy is that there is a key role to be played by those who want to enter into this place of favour. In other words, the prophecy cannot be passively received, it has to be actively pursued. It was speaking of what is possible, if people press into this place with God.

There are a number of scriptures that echo this theme :
The last part of James 4:2 - "You do not have, because you do not ask God."
Mark 11:24 - "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."
Matthew 9:29 "Then he touched their eyes and said, "According to your faith will it be done to you""
We are required by God to ask of Him and to believe.

In the CD of this teaching, Graham says:

"it is possible for you to go through this year and not receive a tenth of what God has for you..."

"don't wait for favour to come to you, run after it..."

"it isn't that in one year from now, the taps will be turned off and the favour will stop, this is a year to get you back to the place where you should always have been living with God..."

It is thus clear to me that this word is still very much in place, and people can still enter into it. Jesus's declaration of Isaiah 61 did not have a time limit attached to it.

As concerns vengeance, one of Graham's key points was that, by entering into victory in the areas of our lives where the enemy has oppressed us, we are well placed to turn around and free others from those same difficulties. In this way, we get vengeance on the enemy.

Graham is a man of integrity and character who lives out what he teaches. He is regarded by many as a father in the spirit, and a father in the area of prophecy. His teachings have been a huge blessing to me and to many others.

If anyone would like a CD with this teaching on it, email me and I will send it to you.

Kind regards
Craig Withers

Comment submitted by LINUXDUDE on Thursday 17th June 2004 at 18:18:53

Is this a false prophet?

Benjamin Baruch - Author of "The Day of the LORD is at Hand" claims he is not a prophet, but insists that he hears the audible voice of God - read these EXACT quotes of (Ben and God speaking) taken from the book...

"And when the Lord speaks to you, who can but prophesy? I have been able to hear the voice of the Lord from my youth. I was surprised to learn recently that the majority of Christians have never heard His voice." (BEN)

"I have cancelled your hotel reservation" (GOD)

"When you get to the hotel, don't get upset, just sit in the lobby and wait for me. I will get you a room. I only wanted to move you." (GOD)

"When you get to the hotel in Anaheim, a man who I have been chasing for many years will crash into your car in the parking lot. Get out of the car and speak to him the words that I give you. And don't worry about the car. It will just be a little ding. And besides, it's My car." (GOD)

"The Lord says to say to you, if you don't return to Him and repent of your sin, He is going to kill you. This is your last warning!" (BEN)

"I created this entire country! I know where you are and you are in the wrong place! Get back on the bus. It is leaving. I don't want to have to argue with you again." (GOD)

"At this point the Lord was literally yelling at me. And what did I do? I thought to myself, I know the Lord wants me on this bus, so I better get on it. But if this is a mistake, He won't hear the end of it, until He gets me out of this mess" (BEN)

"That is why I am writing this book. Dear reader, you are being warned. Listen to his voice!" (BEN)

"The highest prophetic office is held by those who can hear the Lord's voice directly, and who have been chosen to speak to the Lord face to face." (BEN)

*****The Benjamin Baruch ministries claim to have witness JANET RENO on LARRY KING LIVE give her definition of what a CULT is. Upon investigation, this supposed interview with Reno NEVER HAPPENED and has been documented as a HOAX and URBAN LEGEND - Even the 700 Club aired a TV show about this RENO URBAN LEGEND being just that - AN URBAN LEGEND.

Yet, the the prophet Benjamin Baruch claims he witnessed this, yet out of MILLIONS of viewers, no one else has stepped forward.

What more evidence is needed to expose a false prophet? Or can a prophet make these false allegations and still be a TRUE MESSENGER?

Comment submitted by Charmaine Cowie on Wednesday 2nd April 2003 at 11:34:47

It is two years down the line after we had Graham Cooke's prophecy and I am in the church concerned

Myself went thro deep waters during this time and have come thro with a deeper knowledge of God

1. If a prophecy is spoken by a false prophet, God will deal with him and harshly. No building not founded on God can stand

2. It is time to stop playing church and get on into a deep intimate relationship with God and hear His voice for ourselves and if a prophet does speak, he will then be confirming what we already know.

3. The Holy Spirit is a gentleman and the days of Joel are upon us, and those who seek God's face earnestly.

4. We dont have time to get into squabbles in the church, it is mobilisation time. Are you doing the following

Loving the Lord God with all your heart going forth

Declaring that today is the day of salvation

Are you then discipling the nations are you hearing from God and letting your heart ache for the lost and those plunging to a lost eternity?

Stay based in the word and be alert to the things that can deceive the elect

Charmaine

Comment submitted by Marius on Tuesday 21st May 2002 at 12:21:51

Genade en Vrede vir almal , en ek Groet julle in die naam van Jesus Christus onse Here 

Ek benodig raad asb ?

4 weke geleede het God aan my openbaar gemaak dat vir die volgende 35 dae, die Satan ons gemeente lede sal aanval om hul geloof en gedrag teenoor God te toets. Ons oorwinnning sal deur gebed veral die Jabes Gebed en geloof in Hom wees. Ek het die boodskap so aan die Biduurgangers oorgedra. Die volgende het intussen plaasgevind.

(Verskoon die skryfstyl asgevolg van persooonlike Identiteit.) 

  • Vrou word verplaas na ander dorp en dir bring skeuring in Familie
  • Man verloor baie duur toerusting by werkgewer, en sy voorman nader hom om n leeun brief in te dien.
  • Man se baas wil van hom ontslae raak omdat hy n Christen is en dit so uitleef by sy werk.
  • Pastoor se wooning word ingebreek en goed word gesteel.
  • Pastooor se gesondheid word aangeval.
  • Vrou word beroof
  • Vrou word met dood gedreig.
  • Vrou word aangerand
  • Pastoor verloor sy bybel (geskenk van seun)
  • Man in ongeluk
  • Vrou word amper vermooor / geskied
  • En so kan ek aangaan en aangaan

Die volgende vrae het by my opgekom:

As ons dan gewaarsku word waarom luister ons nie. Wat is die waarde van die Profeet in die kerk as niemand ag slaan op sy word. Waarom beproef ons nie die Profetiese word ?

Het ons maar net hoorders geraak ? Waar is die smag na die Geestelike, na heiligwording ?

Kan enige persoon my se wat het hier gebeur asb?

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